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Ted: Boo!
00:37
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Sam: Boo what?
00:38
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Ted: Boo!!! Boooooo!!!!
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Sam: Sorry, Ted? Are you feeling ok? Why are you making those funny noises and why are you wearing that bed sheet? I know you have problems getting up in the morning, but isn't bringing all of your bedding into work  a little bit over the top? You could have at least put on some trousers.
00:59
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Ted: Phantoms don’t wear pants.
01:02
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Sam: Sorry, what? I'm lost
01:04
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Ted: Phantoms Sam. I’m a phantom, a spectre… a ghost!!
01:09
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Sam: Alright, okay! Well, how about that! How unusual.
 
So you’re dead, is that what you’re telling me? 
 
I didn’t get the memo, but I’d be happy to write your obituary:
 
What about this: “Ted is dead. He wasn’t right in the head and he sure liked staying in bed. He will probably be missed… by someone in Wisconsin” 
 
Full stop.
 
What do you think?
01:36
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Ted: I think you’re confused.
01:39
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Sam: Yeah that is true...um can you actually tell me  what’s going on then? Why are you wearing that bedsheet?
01:46
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Ted: It’s Halloween! All Hallow’s Eve! The night of the dead, Sam! And this is my ghost costume.
01:56
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Sam: Ted, I think you're confused. It was Halloween  last week. 
 
And to be honest, it's a little bit weird talking to a man with a sheet over his head, dead or alive. You might say it's a bit spooky. Look at Brooke, she’s shaking with fear.
02:11
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Ted: Who?
02:13
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Sam: Brooke, our new producer!

02:16
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Ted: Oh, hi.
02:18
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Brooke: Hi!
02:19
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Sam: You’re terrified Brooke, right?
02:20
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Brooke: Yeah, I'm super scared.
02:22
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Ted: That’s because we’re logomaniacs!
02:26
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Sam:  Uh..Maniacs?
02:28
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Ted: No, no, not maniacs: Logomaniacs. L-O-G-O-M-A-N-I-A-C-S - people who are obsessed with words.
02:40
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Sam: Well I have noticed you don’t stop talking - is that the same thing?
02:43
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Ted: Yes, actually. Both people who are obsessed with words and people that talk a lot are logomaniacs. On a side note, Maniac comes from the greek mania, meaning “madness, frenzy or mad passion”.
03:01
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Sam: Okay but Ted, will you just take off that sheet? It’s starting to give me the creeps.
03:05
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Ted: What?
03:06
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Sam: The creeps, you know, the willies. It’s spooky!
03:11
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Ted: Alriiiiight, I’ll take it off. But hey, how about this week we do a spooky special?
03:19
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Sam: Yeah sure, brilliant! In fact, didn’t we say we’d do a segment called…
 
Spooky spoonerisms!!! Right?
03:28
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Ted: Oh yeah, that’s right! I remember. Can you remind me what a spoonerism is again? I have got a short memory.
03:36
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Sam: “A toast to our queer old dean!”
03:40
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Ted: What?
03:42
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Sam: “Go and shake a tower!”
03:43
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Ted: Sam! Are you ok? What the heck are you saying? Are you being possessed by an evil spirit? Hold on, I’m calling a priest to perform an exorcism!
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Sam: Oh I’m  fine, thanks Ted. No need for a priest. No need for an exorcism. You see “A toast to our queer old dean!” and “Go and shake a tower!” are both spoonerisms. A spoonerism is when you mix up the first letters of two words or swap around the syllables… And you end up with a funny phrase, like “A toast to our queer old dean!”, which should be “A toast to our dear old queen!”
04:17
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Ted: Ah, right! So “Go and shake a tower!” should be… “Go and take a shower!”
04:25
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Sam: You got it!
04:26
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Ted: Awesome. And why are they called spoonerisms?
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Sam: So, they’re named after an English priest - the Reverend William Archibald Spooner, who lived in the 19th century. He had terrible eyesight and said things back to front all the time. I guess it happened often enough that these types of verbal mistakes got called spoonerisms…
04:47
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Ted: Sounds like the good Reverend was verbally confused.
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Sam: Yes…and he's not the only one. I’m often verbally confused  but as of yet no one’s named anything after me.
 
Anyway… a spoonerism can also be intentional. You know, word play. 
A friend of mine makes up spoonerisms all the time, it’s actually quite annoying.
05:06
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Ted: Like what… ?
05:07
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Sam: A lack of pies.
05:09
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Ted: A lack of pies? Is he a baker?
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Sam: No, sadly not. Instead of “A pack of lies”, which means a whole load of made-up nonsense, he’d say “A lack of pies”.
05:19
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Ted: Okay. You got any more examples from this Spooner guy?
05:23
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Sam: Sure!
 
So here are some classic SPOONERISMS that the good Reverend is claimed to have said. I tell you what: I’ll give you the spoonerism and you tell me what he should have said.
05:35
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Ted: Okay. Sounds good!
05:35
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Sam: Okay. Here's the first one.
05:38
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Sam: "It is kisstomary to cuss the bride."
05:41
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Ted: Um...it's customary to kiss the bride.
05:47
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Sam: That's right Ted.
Here's the next one: "Blushing crow" 
05:53
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Ted: "Blushing crow" should be "crushing blow."
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Sam: Can you tell me what a crushing blow is Ted, actually?
05:58
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Ted: Yes. A crushing blow is a major defeat or setback that is devastating. For example, you making fun of me all the time is a crushing blow to my self esteem!
06:12
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Sam: I think you might be rather overdoing it Ted, but let's move on. The next one is one of my favourites: "A well-boiled icicle"
06:19
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Ted: Mhm sounds like a good base for a soup but I guess it should be a "well-oiled bicycle."
06:25
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Sam: Exactly. Everyone needs a well oiled bicycle. 
06:29
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Ted: Next!
06:30
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Sam: "Will nobody pat my hiccup?"
06:33
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Ted: What? "Will nobody pat my hiccup?" I'm stumped here.
06:38
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Sam: Yeah, in this case the good reverend had uh...dropped his hat on the floor and mistakenly said: "Will nobody pat my hiccup?" instead of....
06:48
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Ted: Will nobody pick my hat up!
06:50
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Sam: Exactly! Will nobody pick my hat up. Okay, the next one was said to a lazy student and the reverend said: "You have tasted a whole worm".
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Ted:  Mmh yummy...um okay, if he's talking to a student I guess he wanted to say: "You have wasted a whole term"
07:11
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Sam: I suppose he did.
07:11
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Ted: Okay
07:13
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Sam: And lastly, the classic spoonerism is: "Mardon me padom, you are occupewing my pie. May I sew you to another sheet?"
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Ted: Could you repeat that one?
07:26
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Sam: Yeah sure, it's a bit long. Okay, so he said:  "Mardon me padom, you are occupewing my pie. May I sew you to another sheet?"
07:38
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Ted: Okay, I think I've got it.
07:39
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Sam: Yeah?
07:40
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Ted: So, "Mardon me padom," should be "Pardon me Madam"...
07:43
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Sam: Exactly.
07:44
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Ted: "you are occupewing my pie." should be: "You are occupying my pew" or  a seat in a church.
07:51
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Sam: Exactly.
07:52
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Ted: And "May I sew you to another sheet?" should be "May I show you to another seat?" 
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Yeah, he was obviously very confused. 
08:02
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Ted: But polite, quite polite!
08:03
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Sam: Always polite...um yeah.
08:06
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Ted: Anyway, I don't really know what was spooky about any of that. Maybe it’s a British thing.
08:13
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Sam: Britain is a pretty spooky place, I mean think about all those haunted houses and stuff…
08:18
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Ted: Sure. Um...Speaking of British culture, do ya think Shilliam Wakespeare liked spoonerisms?
08:25
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Sam: William Shakespeare you mean? The great bard? Yeah, I mean  the term didn’t exist in  William Shakespeare's time, but I’d bet he’d have been good at it. He certainly liked a euphemism!
08:35
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Ted: A euphawhat?! UFO isms? Are you saying Shakespeare was an alien?
08:42
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Sam: You really are a maniac, Ted. No, euphemisms have got nothing to do with UFOs. A euphemism is a vague term that indirectly refers to something people think of as harsh, offensive or impolite.
08:55
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Ted: Ok (doubtfully)
08:58
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Sam: So a euphemism is a word or phrase which describes someone or something in a kind of roundabout way. It makes the bad seem good, the negative seem positive, the unpleasant seem attractive, or at least less terrible.
09:12
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Ted: Hey, is this a new segment?
09:16
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Sam: Oh I guess it is, yeah. Yeah, let’s do it. I’m gonna call it…
 
Eerie Euphemisms!!!
09:30
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Ted: Eerie Euphemisms. Does eerie also mean spooky?
09:36
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Sam: Yes, my ghostly friend.
09:38
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Ted: But what’s spooky, or eerie, about euphemisms?
09:43
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Sam: Have you never heard of “the beast with two backs”, Ted?
09:47
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Ted: That’s Shakespeare again, isn’t it?
09:49
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Sam: It is. It comes from the play Othello.
09:52
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Ted: Sounds spooky. But doesn’t it mean… ??
09:57
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Sam: Yes it does. The beast with two backs is a euphemistic way of talking about sex. 
 
Because, of course, everything that English speakers don’t like talking about they invent euphemisms for! And there are a lot of things we don’t like talking about! 
 
Sex and death are top of the list, of course.
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Ted: Death is too spooky for me, Sam. Give me some euphemisms to protect my weak nerves, please.
10:21
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Sam: I had no idea you’re such a delicate flower, Ted. But yes, of course. If you want to talk about death euphemistically - that is indirectly - you can use any of the following phrases:
10:34
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Sam: So you can say:
has passed on or passed away. 
You can say someone has departed, gone or slipped away... 

Someone has cashed in their chips
Someone has crossed over to the other side
Someone has given up the ghost
Someone has kicked the bucket
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Ted: Right that's where we get "bucket list" right? Things to do before you "kick the bucket".
11:04
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Sam: Oh yeah! I guess it is yeah. True, true.

Um if you've died you have "breathed your last"
or you have "met your Maker". Your maker being God presumably or whoever made you. 

Um and here's a nice one, I think this comes from ah your land of birth Ted and it is "to shuffle off to Buffalo".
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Ted: Ah yeah, like Buffalo New York.
11:30
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Sam: Exactly.
11:30
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Ted: I guess it's a...heavenly place.
11:33
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Sam: Perhaps. Um...this is my personal favourite. When someone has died you can say: they have "popped their clogs".
11:42
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Ted: Popped their what?
11:44
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Sam: Clogs, Ted, clogs. Clogs are are wooden shoes. They traditionally wear them in Holland I think.
11:50
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Ted: Okay, and they pop off when you die?
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Sam: Yeah, that's right. You die and your shoes fall off. Um...I don't know why. Um, I don't know why but we say "You have popped your clogs".
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Ted: I'm not sure about that one but um...I'll take your word for it.
12:03
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Sam: Yeah, you must know some euphemism too.
12:06
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Ted: Yeah, yeah! Um actually I know a lot of great euphemisms for vomiting or you know being sick (vomits). They're pretty good for Halloween, I guess.
12:17
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Sam: Yeah, for sure.
12:19
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Ted: For example we have um...
to do a technicolour yawn.

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Sam: Mh that's a good one!
12:25
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Ted: It's perfect after you eat too much colorful Halloween candy!
"To blow chunks"
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Sam: That's disgusting!
12:31
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Ted: "To eat lunch in reverse"
"to pray to the porcelain god"
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Sam: Okay, yeah in the UK we say "to speak on the porcelain phone" I mean the porcelain phone being the toilet.
12:44
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Ted: Right. Exactly. 
12:44
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Sam: Cause it's made of porcelain.
12:45
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Right and I think we say "pray to the porcelain God because you're on your knees, like you're praying.
12:50
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Sam: Very graphic thank you!
12:51
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Ted: Yeah, um and the last one here:
"To toss your cookies"
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Sam: I have never heard that one but um, it's great.
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Sam: Okay so, in the UK at least  if you want to suggest that someone is highly strange or eccentric, you woud say:
He’s not all there
He’s bonkers
He’s a sandwich short of a picnic
He’s lost his marbles
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Ted: I know that one!
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Sam: Yeah, it's very famous.
"He’s cuckoo" like the bird. I don't know why...
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Ted: Cuckoo! They sound kind of...
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Sam: ...excentric? 

And one of my favourites is "He’s got bats in the belfry"
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Ted: What's a "belfry"?
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Sam: A "belfry" is like the tower in a church. So I guess it's sort of a metaphor for the head. He's got bats flying around in his head.
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Ted: Those are some interesting euphemisms. Speaking of Euphemisms. You said these are used to describe someone who is highly strange or eccentric. That sounds a bit euphemistic to me…
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Sam: You’re not wrong Ted. But my family uses these ones all the time… I suppose we are a strange and eccentric lot.
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Ted: I can imagine. 
 I’ve got one for you. If you’re dangerous but don’t look it you are:
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Sam: a wolf in sheep’s clothing!
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Ted: That’s right. A dangerous wolf disguised as a harmless little lamb!
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Sam: Oh and if you want to suggest that someone’s a liar you can say that they’re:
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Ted: economical with the truth
But what about the poor?
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Sam: What about them?
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Ted: They are economically disadvantaged, or in reduced circumstances. Right?
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Sam: Bingo! But let’s return to the awkward topic of Shakespeare’s “beast with two backs”! The English traditionally avoid talking about sex at all costs…
which explains why there are literally hundreds of common euphemisms for it! For example we have:
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 to sleep together
 to make whoopee
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Ted: Whopee!
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Sam: Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
to get your leg over
a roll in the hay
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Ted: That sounds itchy.
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Sam: Possibly. It could be something that you do on a farm yard...

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Ted: Right.
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Sam: Rumpy pumpy
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Ted: Uuuuuh
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Sam: It's a bit old fashioned...Oh this is a nice one:
the birds and the bees
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Ted: A yeah, that's um...that's how my parents put it when they had to give me "the talk".
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Sam: It's probably the most polite way of talking about it and another great one:
 hankie pankie
Which I think was a Madonna song.
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Ted: Ah, yeah it sounds kinda like a dance. Like: do the hankie pankie?
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Sam: Could be, could be...
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Ted: Okay anyway, I guess once you’ve finished with all that hankie pankie, you might find yourself pregnant.
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Sam: That would be a shock!
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Ted: In which case you could be described as:
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in the club
 

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Sam: Hang on, what club?
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Ted: I really don't know. I guess the baby club?
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Sam: I'd guess so
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Ted: Okay:
up the duff
knocked up, or
that you have a bun in the oven
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Sam: Mh nice. Yeah, we use that a lot.
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Ted: Yeah.
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Sam: Well that was all very interesting, Ted, don’t you think?  If listeners out there have heard any euphemisms that they don’t quite understand we’d be happy to explain - just tweet or email us.
And now Ted you know how to talk your way around all of those uncomfortable subjects, including death.
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Ted: I’ll never think about clogs in the same way, Sam, that’s for sure! 
16:17
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Sam: Yeah sure okay but keeping our clogs firmly on our feet for now, I’m happy to say that we’ve arrived at our regular celebrity bites segment…
16:23
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Ted: …where we invite a guest onto the show and then mercilessly interrogate them. Who is our victim, ahem, guest this week, Sam?
16:35
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Sam: So this week our special guest is in-house business English expert, Sophie La Fee! Welcome to the Babbel torture chamber, I mean sound studio, Sophie…
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Sophie La Fee: Thank you! Very happy to be here. Thanks for the warm welcome!
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Ted: Sophie, it's true that you’re also an expert in medieval warfare, right?
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Sophie La Fee: That's what my resumé says. Yes indeed.
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Sam: You must be a great strategist!
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Sophie La Fee: I do love a cunning plan. It's true...
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Sam: So, it’s a fact that, over the years, many strong, intelligent, independent women have had a very hard time, right? Some were even accused of witchcraft.
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Sophie La Fee: Yep, accused of all kinds of things. You'd see women being put up on trial for absolutely everything over the years.
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Ted: Right, um...I know you, so your specialty is women in medieval warfare, right?
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Sophie La Fee: That's right
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Ted: If I'm not mistaken Joan of Arc, she was put on trial for witch craft and burned at the stake, right?
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Sophie La Fee: I'm afraid you are mistaken Ted. She was put on trial and she was burned but it was actually for heresy and in particular for the crime of cross dressing.
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Ted: For dressing like a man?
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Sophie La Fee: Yup, because she dressed like a man. So they were very happy for her to lead troops into battle but not in trousers.
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Sam: She was burnt at the stake for wearing trousers. Is that what you're saying?
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Sophie La Fee: Yes, burnt by the English.
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Sam: Seems a bit over the top. Right. Okay...
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Sophie La Fee: Ah trust the fifteenth century laws.
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Sam: No way! What a shocker. Moving swiftly on from that horrifying revelation. What we’d like to do today is put you on trial. In a manner of speaking.
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Ted: Yeah I mean it’s more like a quiz than a trial.
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Sam: Yeah, that’s right. We’re going to ask you a few questions and from your answers we’ll be able to tell if you’re qualified to be a professional witch. Shall we begin, Ted?
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Ted: We shall! This quiz is called…
 
Which is witch?
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Sam: Sophie. My first question:
If you were going to join a club, which of the following would it be?
a) A chess club
b) A ladies wrestling team
c) A coven
d) A skydiving club
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Sophie La Fee: I'm gonna have to go for c there, a coven.
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Sam: Great, just to clarify to our listeners: a coven is a group of witches, traditionally 13 and they do things like dancing around under the moonlight...
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Ted: Right and commuting with satan and things like that, right?
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Sam: Well, possibly yeah.
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Ted: Next question for you Sophie:
Which of the following people would you rather go on a date with?
a) A male stripper
b) A necromancer 
c) A sheep farmer
d) a close colleague from Wisconsin
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Sophie La Fee: I mean, do I definitely have to choose? I mean all four sounds like it could be quite a party. If I'm only allowed one option, then...I think I'd probably have the most fun with b, a necromancer.
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Ted: Right, I agree.
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Sam: Yeah for sure.
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Ted: I mean, I am a little bit disappointed you didn't choose d but I see why you chose what you did.
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Sam: Yeah, because a necromancer is someone who performs death magic, right? Such as raising the dead or summoning spirits. 
20:02
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Ted: Yeah, usually to reveal the future or influence the course of events.
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Sam: Sounds like they would make a fun date. Great!
20:12
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Sam:  Sophie, our next question:
If you lost something, how would you go about finding it?
a) By dowsing 
b) Using a pack of trained sniffer dogs
c) Getting drunk
d) Retracing your steps
(related to: Scrying/divination - reading the future in a reflective object or sometimes liquid)
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Sophie La Fee: I don't think I've ever found anything by getting drunk. Quite the opposite. Um, so I'm gonna go for a) by dousing.
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Ted: Alright, and listeners just to let you know "dousing" means  using a pendulum, bent wires or a forked branch to search for things.
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Sam: Yeah things like treasure or water.
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Ted: Water from the ground. Like a well.
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Sam: If you see someone wandering around a field with two bent wires, they're probably dousing.
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Ted: Yeah, looking for water. 
21:03
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Ted: Okay, next question:
 If you had to choose a familiar, what type of animal would it be? 
a) An elephant
b) A rhino
c) A lobster
d) A dachshund named Freddy!
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Sophie La Fee: Naaw, well seeing as I already have one of these at home, I'm gonna have to go for d) A dachshund named Freddy. 
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Sam: Uh can I just ask Ted. What is a familiar? I'm unfamiliar with the term familiar so to speak.
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Ted: A familiar is a witch’s spiritual magical helper, usually taking the form of a household pet, such as a cat, rat, or a snake.
21:41
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Sam: Super! 
So, if your leg or another body part suddenly fell off, what would you use to relieve the pain?
a) prescription painkillers and a plaster
b) a stiff upper lip
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Ted: A stiff what?!
21:55
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Sam: Ah, in England we have stiff upper lips.
21:57
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Ted: What is a stiff upper lip?
21:59
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Sam: It means you just get on with it. You just ignore the pain and carry on.
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Ted: Okay.
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Sam:
c) a salve, or
d) a pot of ice cream and an opium pipe
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Sophie La Fee: Well, I am British. So I'm drawn to the stiff upper lip. However, been living in Germany long enough to go for other solutions now, so I'm gonna go for c) a salve.
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Ted: Okay. And Sam, what is a salve?
22:19
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Sam: To clarify, a salve is an oily substance that is put on sore skin or a wound to help it heal.
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Ted: Ah okay. Um I don't know how much that would help a leg that fell off but...
22:33
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Sam: Well, witches love that stuff. Lots of herbs are involved I think.
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Ted: Next one:
If you needed to look up a fact online, which of the following websites would you use:
a) Google
b) Urban dictionary
c) Wikipedia
d) Witchipedia
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Sophie La Fee: Witchipedia sounds like so much fun!
22:58
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Sam: Who wrote these questions? Is Witchipedia a real thing?
23:00
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Ted: Yes Witchipedia is a real thing.
23:03
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Sam: What is it?
23:04
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Ted: Well, of course it's a play on words with Wikipedia and it's a very similar website but instead of having articles about history and science and things like that, it has lots of definitions of magical and arcane words. 
23:21
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Sam: Cool!
23:22
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Ted: So listeners, if you have a uncontrollable desire to learn so more magical vocabulary, go check it out!
23:30
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S: Okay, so this is our final question for you, dear Sophie: 
If you had to choose between the following professions, which would it be?
a) Vet
b) Bus driver
c) Cheese tester
d) Warlock (most often a male witch, but is also used to refer to a witch who has broken an oath to their coven)
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Sophie La Fee: Well, I basically already am a cheese tester because I eat cheese on a daily basis but if we're talking about careers and professions, I'm gonna go for d) warlock.
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Ted: Sam, isn't a warlock a male witch?
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Sam: Well Ted, traditionally yes you're right, a warlock is a male witch but in these days of gender equality in the work place, I think it's perfectly fine to refer to a woman as a warlock. And also traditionally a warlock can be a witch who has broken an oath to their coven.
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Ted: Huh! Sophie, have you broken an oath to your coven? Are you an oath breaker?
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Sophie La Fee: I can neither confirm nor deny. 
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Ted: Smart answer.

Sam, what do Sophie’s answers tell us about her magical personality?
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Sam: Well Ted, the results are pretty clear I would say. It would seem Sophie has occult tendencies!
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Ted: She’s in a cult???
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Sam: No, Ted. The word "occult" comes from the Latin occultus which means "hidden" or "secret". It’s usually used to refer to the paranormal. Such as ghosts, magic, aliens, paganism and stuff like that.
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Ted: She’s a pagan?
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Sam: Well… pagan is a very broad term for describing people who worship many gods, usually those outside of the “mainstream” religions of the world. Like Christianity or Hinduism. I would say to be more precise  she’s possibly a Wiccan.
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Ted: Yeah, she’s definitely wicked.
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Sam: She is wicked in a positive sense. No but what I mean is she's a Wiccan Ted. A Wiccan. A follower of the religion Wicca. Which is basically a modern form of nature worship. We're talking modern witches.
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Ted: Ah yeah! I've been reading this book. It's about the history of witches and how it relates a lot to feminism and a big reason that witches were demonised was because they were a threat to men...um... 
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Sam: To the patriarchy.
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Ted: Right, to the patriarchy because they were strong intelligent women and they especially threatened uh male doctors because witches had their own system of medicine and like homeopathy and things like this...
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Sam: Yeah, herbal medicine.
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Ted: Right, and they knew things by being involved in the treatment of the human body for so long but they weren't the correct things. You know, the things learned in universities and things.
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Ted: Because women weren't allowed to go to university.
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Ted: Right exactly. So that was a big reason why they were said to be commuting with satan and unholy and that way they could be delegitimised by men and the society. 
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Sam: Wow, fascinating stuff.
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Ted: Okay. But Sophie, can you confirm our suspicions? Are you a modern witch?
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Sophie La Fee: Well...I would love to be best friends with Hermione Granger but  that's probably as close as I'm getting to it.
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Ted: Alright. Well I’m glad that we cleared that up!
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Sam: Then I guess you don’t have a magic spell that would clear up Ted’s logomania, do you Sophie? He’s got a bad case of verbal diarrhoea - he just can’t stop talking!
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Sophie La Fee: I'm afraid not.
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Sam: Oh what about a salve? Have you got one of those?
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Sophie La Fee: Mh not on me, sorry.
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Sam: Hm, right...
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Ted: Anyway, listeners thank you for joining us today with sorceress Sophie in this spooky sound studio. As always, if you'd like to contact us with any questions, suggestions, stories or the like you can tweet at us @babbel or you can write us an email at podcasting@babbel.com 
Until next time!
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In this spellbinding episode, Sam and Ted discuss scary and magical words and idioms. Hear eerie euphemisms and spooky spoonerisms, before they test Sophie La Feé's knowledge of witchcraft. The burning question: Will they find a spell to cure Ted's endless chatter? We'd love to get your feedback, suggestions or learn about your own language learning journey. Email podcasting@babbel.com